Getting Stuff Done vs
Dreaming Stuff Up

Jeffrey’s Premise:

The most influential and fulfilled entrepreneurs and artists can toggle between getting stuff done and dreaming stuff up so they can experience those moments of opening that keep them lit up with meaning.

No doubt you’ve had the experience of being busy all day, yet getting absolutely nothing done. You work through the easy tasks on your to-do list, avoiding the ones that are truly important—because those projects scare you to death! How could you learn to focus on the things that actually matter? To create your own productivity systems that eliminate distractions and hold you accountable for creating value? To find the necessary balance between contemplation and action?

Jeffrey is joined by speaker and business consultant Ishita Gupta of Fear.less Magazine and business growth strategist, speaker and author Charlie Gilkey of Productive Flourishing to discuss the formative experiences that led to the productivity systems they use today. Ishita shares her take on the need for a personal connection in any innovation, and Charlie explains why it’s better to focus on being useful rather than trying to do something new and different. They riff on the process of determining what is really important and eliminating tasks that don’t create value. Listen in and learn how Ishita and Charlie approach contemplation and the significance of finding that quiet time to connect with yourself.

Our Guests:

Key Takeaways

[2:18] Charlie’s young genius

• MacGyver, creative with limited resources
• Fortune of misfortune: resourcefulness, adaptability

[6:42] Ishita’s young genius

• Super-curious, questioned being told what to do
• Desire to do extraordinary things
• Bounce back from embarrassment

[11:15] Ishita’s impetus for developing systems

• All-nighters in college (hated compromising herself)
• Missed opportunities from sitting in indecision
• Needs systems, accountability to stay afloat

[15:46] How Charlie came to develop systems for productivity

• Pursuing master’s in philosophy, Army officer at same time
• Read about others’ productivity systems
• Changed what didn’t work, became documentarian of process

[19:47] Ishita’s take on why innovation must be personal

• Forced to confront own fear (Seth Godin’s altMBA)
• Interviews around overcoming fear, turned into magazine
• Solve your own problem first

[25:46] Charlie’s take on innovation

• Focus on being useful
• Start by assimilating others’ work, find your 5% difference

[32:43] Charlie’s approach to getting the right stuff done

• Tendency to be afraid of important to-dos
• Focus on fewer things that really matter

[35:22] Ishita’s advice around getting the right stuff done

• Accountable to someone else
• Repeat long-term goals daily
• Eliminate distractions

[38:35] Ishita’s take on dreaming

• Direct correlation between desire and opportunity

[42:40] Charlie’s insight around the significance of contemplation

• Contemplation added to morning routine
• Society has lost ability to sit with selves

[46:22] How Ishita gets into a contemplative space

• Dance party
• Get into world (i.e.: outdoors)
• Engage with others

[51:08] Charlie’s advice for getting into a contemplative space

• Disconnect from internet
• Implement ‘inbox perspective’
• Tea ritual

Resources

• Seth Godin’s altMBA
• The Republic of Imagination: A Life in Books by Azar Nafisi